The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. Remember, the Astoria line was originally built to IRT standards but was converted to BMT loading gauge (by shaving the wooden platforms) so that the N/R (depending on the era) could go direct to Astoria. They must be pillar free for security. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. 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Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. 3. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. See the problem? In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. In California money itd be about 2. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. Skip stop on Fulton? I like the basic idea. Off-road (Chicago style). Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. And another commenter hit upon phasing. There is also sporadic 2 and 5 service during rush hours. North of Fulton theres a park for it to curve through, similar to your design for the Second Ave. The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. Many will overload the (N) train as a result. No spidery stairwells going to the ground. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. 4. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Youve shown plans to underground the Ls el as well as the Fulton and It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. In order to avoid trains passing at grade you need to segregate the local and express trains. Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. 127 Utica Avenue Brooklyn, NY, 11213-2338. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Before the renovation of this station in 1995, it was possible to see the unfinished station from the mezzanine. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. Anyone? station. Arent they doing Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. 2- rebuild the Eastern Pkwy Station so that there are provisions for the line to pass through. While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. . [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. If we are going to think outside the box, we ust consider the people who will be having trains running through their buildings while a stop is not even placed within walking distance. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. Still, the terminal must be fixed so what is required is a short tunnel south that would allow a terminal yard of 4 tracks be built. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Gov. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. tph, equal to 16 A Div. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. Where do you get 10TPH from? It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. And normal service would still be able to run. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. 3 and 4 train service through East . Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) Theres only four local stations and it could probably crawl through three of them in a skip-stop with the C. You were playing around with skip-stop on Nostrand; maybe itd make sense here. Youve presented an excellent case for ruling out Williamsburg. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. I often speak with other fantasy transit designers about Utica and the IND plan seems to be the favorite and for good reason. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) Also major problem. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. proposal for a subway stretch closer in on Jamaica Ave. 6. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. There are also some windows in this level. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. el structures around Broadway Junction. I know this is something that the City wont consider if they ever release their Utica Ave plan which is why I want to start the discussion now. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. And why tear down the whole Broadway EL? Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? 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Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Late nights/weekends the 4 will go to Kings Plaza. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. Same dilemma as if underground. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. What if we could do the outer el portion without the costly subway for now and at least temporarily connect it to a lower cost service? The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Some of your points might show good benefits of IRT use but only in part. challenge. This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. BBGUN63. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. 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