Inadvertent? To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Never/ever! But I have to admit, I was expecting a little better. Its hard to describe just how well and intuitively the Model 19handles. Mine is a 19-4 from 1980, blued, with a 4 inch barrel. My new from the factory custom shop model 41 pistol is a nightmare. Smith & Wesson 586 Classic Problems. I HAVE A NICE COLLECTION OF GUNS WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF MODELS I USED IN MY CAREER. The 686s are astoundingly accuratemore so than the Ruger GP-100, which replaced one of the finest .357s ever made, the Security-Six. But if you want to become really proficient shooting this gun,the .38/.357 combo is the way you want to go. I will likely be forever conflicted about this gun. As related by Jordan in an article he wrote for a special publication put out by Shooting Times in 1995, he had a memorable conversation with Hellstrom during the National Matches held at Camp Perry. To our rather jaded eyes, the traditional Masterpiece guns, without the under-lug, are how a Smith & Wesson revolver should look and the Classic is Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 Carry comp, .357 Mag. Both parts are steel. Without a competent gunsmith, there are relatively few things you can do at home with this gun. S&W's 686 PC is a competition-class thoroughbred for discerning wheelgun addicts. But my first wheel gun many years ago was actually calling to me from the gun case at my buddys shop. I think this is rational thinking since I will very likely never need the 7th through 21st shot of my current EDC but I will certainly enjoy the fuzzy warmth of hand fitted steel and ivory (I bought some a few years back) every day when I get the new gun. There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time. I had a -3 round butt that I couldnt shoot worth a darn. We also noticed that the new stocks are slimmer than the originals. I bought one in 1980 and it had a 3.5 ounces trigger. EVERYONE PLEASE FORGIVE MY TYPING AS I AM ON VACATION ON CRUISE, TOO MANY UMBRELLA DRINKS! These are both polymer frame one being a hammer fired DA/SA and the latter single stage striker fiire meaning the striker is fully cooked by the slide cycle not trigger pull. The barrel is composed of an inner liner and an outer shroud. The Smith & Wesson Model 43 C is an AirWeight variation of our Centennial Model. I noticed the other night, if I pull back on the cylinder, just a tad, it open as smooth as silk every time. The question is: will enough wannabe revolver buyers want a new Model 19 and not care about the Hillary Hole to make it an ongoing success? Although a used gun, it was in exceptional condition. The deep illustrious bluing found on all of the Classic revolvers from Smith & Wesson is simply one-of-a-kind. Brian Pearce's article in the December 2014 issue of Handloader Magazine, (issue 293), was quite favorable to the new "L-frame" S&W model 69. If you tried to drill & tap the top strap so you could use a screw to hold a piece of material in that area, youd weaken the top straps tensile strength. Finish:factory blued steel In the meantime, give the Model 19 Classic a look. This is the result of an engineering change to move from a hammer mounted to a frame mounted pin. Smith & Wesson Model 66, 4.25" Barrel, 357 Magnum . But my needs are different from other peoples. Theyll be topped with 95grain scallop jhps from Remington with enough hp38 to hit 1000fps out of 2inch barrels. Ive got a 642 and a 686+ already. Gun Review, Wood you would probably have to pay extra for nowadays, but was the standard when people cared about more than whatever was $5 cheaper than the gun next to it. Is the cylinder binding up? Glad to see S&W had the same idea! Smith & Wesson was manufacturing its .357 Mag. The factory spec for trigger pulls on S&Ws is about 2.75 lbs for single-action mode, about 12 lbs for DA mode. In good condition, it can sell for anywhere from $650 to $950 online. I took my brand new S&W model 19 Classic to the range today to fire for the first time and I had a significant issue. In 1955 the .357 Magnum version was first offered. Longer bullets are guided by the cylinder throat and thus are not impacting the lower barrel throat as with shorter bullets. Smith & Wesson Model 69, 4.25" Barrel, 44 Magnum . Did you clean it before shooting? $969.00 . Loved my first Dan Wesson so much I had to get another one, Twins, Ruger Blackhawks .357 Mag 50th Anniversary Edition. Better trigger control means better accuracy, and that means officers' lives saved. Im looking at a revolver after I make some more optics purchases. I believe a large fiber-optic or dot-type front sight would make defensive shooting faster, but I grew up shooting S&Ws red ramp front sight, so it works just fine for me. The Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum, The Second AmendmentIts Not About Hunting! The new revolvers sound tempting, but theres that Hillary Hole that S&W persists in forcing on us. I should mention that S&W brought back the stainless-steel Combat Magnum, known as the Model 66, in 2017, and it, too, had the newer two-piece barrel design. S&W also provides this synthetic grip, which completely transforms the personality of the gun. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. All Rights Reserved. In 1955, Smith & Wesson introduced the .357 Combat Magnum which would become the Model 19 two years later when the company went to a model-numbering system. Every group from all variety of ammo loads are smaller than 2 @25 yards and you were disappointed? If the pistol has a striker, you cannot feel anything as you pull the trigger other than taking up the often considerable slack and spring tension. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Later, Jordan became an outdoor writer and wrote for several gun magazines, including Shooting Times. The flat part of your forcing cone is normal for this revolver and is one of the reasons the guns fail when one puts a steady diet of .357s through their guns. The Smith & Wesson Model 19 "Combat Magnum" was one of the most beloved handguns ever made. The Model 19 was also offered in nickel finish. S&W Model 19 Classic .357 Magnum "Combat Master Reborn"!Re-Introduced after 19 years, the Classic has upgraded features but still keeps the Spirit of the ear. Two-handed and in single action, this gun is giggly-fun easy to shoot. I happen to think that a 5-inch barrel on a revolver might just be the perfect barrel length. Le/Mil Only. Try as I might, though, I only got one group out of 10 smaller than 1.5. This cartridge can be used in any situation where a handgun could come into play. Because the .38 Specials we have been using have turned out a little puny a few times. The .357 Magnum cartridge is the single most versatile round ever developed in my, and many others, opinion. The Classic Model is finished in a nice blue that is close to the original guns. There is just no comparison between the quality of the old guns and these newer ones. If the lock is intended to keep children from firing the gun, this may lead to irresponsible leaving the locked gun out. In my view, S&W needs to reissue the Model 19/66s, only beefed up in the right parts, without turning the guns into boat anchors! A .357 would do the trick because they shoot those cheap .38s, too. The ranges are shorter and all that matters is hitting the target somewhere. Can you imagine what given the huge jump in tech of bullet construction a 110-125gr full house max psi load would do by the old loading standards. In 1974 my first duty weapon was the S&W M-15. I keep telling you folks that people are willing to pay for quality. WOW! Keep your firearms safe, secure & in prestine condition. Awesome looking revolver, I have the new Colt King Cobra that I like and an old Model 15 Smith. I can appreciate this comment, however, Ive always considered my sidearm (pistol) as a close quarters (probably within 10 yards) defensive weapon. For a pricey classic like this youd think they would leave it off to suit purists, but they must be catering to affluent buyers in certain nanny states that require such things. I prefer to shoot .357s loaded down to .38 velocities. As support to these claims do a quick search on Google DR 158 LRN revolver site:www.bullseyeforum.net , But if you want the best ammo try Atlanta Arms .38 SPL 158gr LRN load or 110 or 125 gr jhp match ammo this will shoot sub 1.5 @ 25yd in any in spec 4+ barreled S&W revolver. I have shot a model 66 with the new shrouded barrel and the lock. Because of the Model 19shistory and my love of wheel guns, I spent a few nights practicing my draw, dry fire and reload drills. Let me start by saying, the new Classic model, while looking to the original 19, is a different pistol from yesteryear. Smith has outfitted the Model 19 Classic with a trigger that is just about ideal for double-action shooting. At $117 at the time they were a deal. THE MODEL-19 IS A GREAT GUN. I also fired it offhand, using my regular self-defense practice drills. 1,025.99 . Using the Applied Ballistics Shooter program I have both rounds hitting within a 10th of an inch of each other at 25 yards. We found them to be satisfactory and just as strong and durable as parts machined from steel bar stock. I think something got hung up with the arm. The Border Patrol furnishes us with those .38 shells with no questions asked about what we do with them. That gun had much better balance and was far superior to the GPs. Hope this area was strengthened in the new model? A very good finish, but no deep pools of gleaming blue. Bill Jordan was right; the Model 19 points like your finger. When I get a Smith, maybe Ill be looking at a used model. Ill just be content with the half dozen pre-locks I have. YOU CANNOT BEAT THE MODEL-19-3. I do all right in my gun clubs practical pistol matches. Buzz, And I have a pair of older Model 19s that are great. New materials and manufacturing processes allow for more efficient production, both in labor and cost. eBay; Sporting Goods; Hunting Equipment; Gun Storage; . breadcrumb. The 19 isnt the heavy N-frame my Model 29 is. The ejector rod is tight. When shooting double action, the trigger was suddenly harder to pull. It was also more enjoyable for the shooter and much kinder on the pistol. Free shipping on many items | Browse your favorite brands | affordable prices. 1 more deal from guns.com . Part of that is due to the barrel length, but that grip plays a big part in double action fast (fastish?) It is a sleek, good looking, pistol with great lines and a blue finish. But for serious business, lots of times we wished for something a little stouter. For someone like me, with size large hands, the Model 19 is simply a joy. Overall average accuracy of the .38 Specials was 3.04 inches, and overall average accuracy of the .357 Magnums was 3.21 inches. You could also just grind down the cam on the lock arm. The current Smith & Wesson info page lists the Model 19 as having a barrel length of 4.25 inches, an overall length of 9.875 inches, and a weight of 37.2 ounces. They often have nice, polished metal with smooth lines that are visually and even tactilely appealing. Shooting and discussing the new S&W Model 19 Classic. SKU: 12040. 2) The re-design of the frame in order to better accommodate the stupid lock makes the gun look cheap and unattractive, it has ruined the lines of an otherwise beautiful revolver. The noise will come from the cylinder. If it jams unloaded, it is probably a burr on the cylinder face that took a few rounds to raise up. It violates the first rule of reliability-keep it simple stupid. No mention needs be made of the absence of a pistol team at that obviously limp-wristed alma mater. Right. Not great. In single action, the trigger supposedly breaks at 4lbs. Thanks. Smith has expanded their Classic line of revolvers to include thirteen models. Almost every part is metal injection molded. Yep, I agree with ya. The new S&W Model 27 Classic is a great way to harken back to older styling and form without having to scour auction sites and pawn stores for the original Model 27's. Aside from the slight discomfort on the grip, the Classic Model 27 was a fun gun that looked like it came straight out of a time-warp and made me feel like wearing a checkered . He obviously doesnt realize that the cylinder comes to a complete stop when the hammer is falling and stays that way until the noise happens and the bullet is long gone. The red ramp Baughman-style front sight is pinned into the barrel shroud. If dirt gets in there, who knows if the gun will fire. No go; not with MIM parts. Smith has also installed a ball/detent crane lock, and of course, the new 19 has the obligatory key lock. I just couldnt get the cylinder to turn fast enough. Beyond .357 Magnum caliber and affordability, the Model 19sergonomics was the key to its popularity. The Gold Dot averaged 1,372 fps while the Agulia load averaged 1,178 fps. I dont have a trigger gauge, but I would seriously doubt the SA pull weight was that heavy. The .357 definitely benefits from room to run, even more so in a lever gun. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. The Smith & Wesson R8 is everything the iconic Model 19 was and even more. I've owned five Smith revolvers bought used; zero bought new. The Model 19 is chambered for .357 Magnum.The K-frame is somewhat smaller and lighter than the original N-frame .357, usually known as the Smith & Wesson Model 27.A stainless steel variant of the Model 19, the Smith & Wesson Model 66, was introduced in 1971. The info pages further adds that, "The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. I think their appeal comes from the fact that you can see and actually feel the mechanics involved as you fire them. Sweet gun and cool review. It has a classic ramped front sight with an orange insert for increased visibility pinned atop the . IMPORTANT SAFETY RECALL NOTICE FOR SMITH & WESSON . The single action trigger never moved the sights, the sight radius is long for a pistol, and the grip gave me a rock solid hold. Be patient and look for a nice example of both, and hang onto them. Ships To Store. The revolver dons a highly polished, blued finish and traditional thumbpiece for a classic look. They are all right for just fooling around, and I wouldnt want to see that changed. Accelerating the big .44 cylinder from a stop takes much more energy than the svelte cylinder on the model 19. You can do a lot with a medium-size .357 Magnum/.38 Special double-action revolver. 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