Army, Navy, Police. period and evaded restrictions placed on them. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. There are several markings on the holster. Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; the transcription. The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. WOL, 1977 by S. Costanzo on page 105, described as a 1933 Heers Waffen Amt proof. It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. Per Weimar Lugers by J. Has been dyed black long ago. 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, WaA107 Hans Rmer Neu-Ulm, Donau 1936. wooden box sliding cover lid, which Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. One of the belt loops appears to be replaced. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. Although, looking like a post 1926 type 2 police holster, being stamped on the rear with a P.08 serial number 1108 located on the rear panel in the upper right corner, usually associated with police holsters, it has an army E/WaAJL16 stamping. 3 5 im Buch II hat mich herr Polizeihauptmann Baetsch, Ministerium des Innern, in liebenswrdigster Meise unterstutzt, wosr ich ihm an dieser Stelle meinen herzlichsten Dant ausspreche. Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. German: Foreign Mfg. Receiver proof, some post war reworked Lugers. No examples noted. Pictured is the holster used with the 1950s Bahnpolizei FN 1922 pistol, separate and together with pistol. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. - Kommando Nuernberg-Fuerth, berittene Abteilung, gun 5, W.K.S.5. This rare M1908 Commercial Army P.08 variation is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18 of Imperial Lugers 1991 by J. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? 1928 (Undated) "Riff" Berlin Mauser Rig (Police) SOLD. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . The results cause us collectors no end of confusion, 78 years later. or Landjgerei Schleswig; view 1, view 2 and view 3. This holster has been incorrectly described as an Air Surveillance Departments Police holster or Luft Hannover based on a 1993 publication titled German Small Arms Markings by Joachim Grtz & Don L. Bryans. Thanks for the help. RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. This is notwithstanding the fact that there were obviously less Weimar Era Police officers than NCO Police personnel. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. Holster is also marked Bahnschutz RBD Halle (S) Helping Police). "Jt" being the abbreviation for the Ingolstadt HZa. Pictured for comparison are two different examples of Artillery holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass studs with demonstrably different shapes and sizes or dimensions. Police arms had a While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. Knowing that, and having the history of the What unit markings are on the pistol? Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), Decoding these proof marks is very useful in determining the age and history of the gun. Mauser or the Police HQ in Berlin? Thread Tools: Display Modes (A fairly common occurrence.) Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. The new Freistaat Preuen style eagle was adopted as the emblem of the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) and the Preuen Kommunalpolizei, (Prussian Local/Municipal Police) and was utilized on their belt buckles. A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. var links=new Array() On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. BACKGROUND: During the Weimar era, (circa 1919-1933) the largest of the independent German police forces was the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) in the newly established FREISTAAT PREUEN, (Free State/Republic of Prussia), within the Weimar Republic. they are found. It is a numbers matching pistol. S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? Signed & Numbered by both authors. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. Remnants of the original artillery holster body up-strap attachment are visible; the cover flap keeper strap and the brass stud were removed and the hole was plugged in the cover flap and a belt buckle/strap closure, as stated above was added. Caliber 7.65mm - 4.75" barrel. It is very tiny. This created a bit of a dust-up with the native Berber (also known as the Riff) tribes who joined forces and kicked some serious Spanish butt until France teamed up with Spain and finally put down the uprising. Pictured are three views of a fine example holster; view 1, view 2, view 3. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt (Schutzpolizei Berlin) 12022 Xd. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). May be blued from 1923. Made in Germany and completely lead free. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. German: German Mfg. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. 113-114 - A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Dsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. Nachr. Example 2. Over all good condition. Bayern (Bavarian Police Defense Force), Identification of individual units or independent centuria within an Individual cases are put together and explained in a practical way using many examples. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Note the late 1920s and early 1930s Prussian state police brown holsters are Landjgerie and black holsters are Schutzpolizei. the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. German: German Mfg. ad[7]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Thanks for the help. Please help me with identifying those markings. Est price: $3,750 $5,500. Still. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; If instead of replacing and/or adding a brass stud, the leather worker, when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. Post J. (For more information, consult The Imperial German The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. Waffenfabrik Bern - Bern, Switzerland&break;7. by Poot 08 May 2016, 08:12, Post formed mostly from former servicemen. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Even though considerably outnumbered, the Riff inflicted nearly six times the number of casualties on the Spanish and French than they suffered. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. There is one other cut-back artillery LP.08 holster converted to a P.08 similar style holster, except that it is unmarked and, as such, cannot be associated with police use. It was 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. 4. It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. (Bavarian) State Police. The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. locking the two-piece assembly in place. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. Knowledge is power, this applies to everyone who is in public life and strives forwards, but especially for the police officers, because his job brings him into close contact with the population every hour. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, The reworking ends in May 1921. With his permission, I have posted it below. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". It is interesting that the well-known Luger dealer that sold the Sturgess cut-back LP.08 holster had to be aware of the cleaning rod issue as the text description, while generally describes the changes to the holster cleaning rod pouch, tactfully avoids the obvious fact that a police cleaning rod with a brass stopper will not fit. an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. Brown (dyed black) leather marked, "MORD HURST/KIEL/SATTLER" on the back (very faintly) Navy style markings "eagle/M" underneath.. that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. The leather, stitching and markings are complete. Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. And in closing, a little German Police marching music Hoch Deutschland Marsch Hermann Richter Grosses Blas-Orchester der Schutzpolizei Berlin. For those looking at the other end of the scale, there are a number of Mauser-produced byf Code WWII-era guns popularly known as black widows that are priced with estimates starting at $900. The new however, it is the opposite, since both variation 1 and variation 2 muzzle protectors have been aftermarket replicated. Since the first edition was published in February d. Zs. Interestingly, this pistol was part of an early period, fancy wooden case, which included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei 2. Reportedly next to the remaining lot of 2,760 of these readied blank toggle pistols also a small quantity of unmarked toggles came from Berlin to Oberndorf. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. All P-08 Military Lugers. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. Some of the Police guns are reported with DWM toggles; these do not appear in any recognizable pattern. Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. Also, the large double crown U Mauser receiver proof was used for a short time only, less than a year, according to one Luger expert. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. Get Guns.com offers and news!! The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. 19-130. The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft, the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view, The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. (communications maintenance squadron), Kraftfahrabteilung Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. Weapon no. Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. Take care and thanks for the quick response. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. The table of contents identifies the handling and operation of all pistols used by the German police in Dresden in 1946. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. Police Luger ? When reworking the chap. Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, Regimental Marking [Revised Edition] by Jeff Noll, P.O. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). This is particularly believable as this holster was not for a primary combat activity. Feedback. Most observed are reworks with double date or blank chambers of DWM and ERFURT.(shown below) The eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. Item Information. This example has all matching serial numbers. by Igorak89 06 May 2016, 12:14, Post The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). . Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. ad[2]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. The author, using the word reportedly, twice in the caption, suggests or implies that he is skeptical or not convinced that the ERMA pictured muzzle protector was used as described. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. Die Reubearbeitung schlietzt mit dem Monat Mai 1921 ab. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. In HIlfs-POlizei you found only Danes, enemies to their own countrymen. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. Im ubrigen hat aber das Bestreben vorgeherrscht, den Iert und Uusbau des Buches mglicht in seiner bisherigen Form zu warhen. Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . WaA107 Auwrter & Bubeck, Stuttgart 1934, no example noted. links[8]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; These consisted of the following city and Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. Click here for English translation. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. links[5]='http://www.wwiidaggers.com'; regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. Pictured are view 1, view 2 and view 3 of the subject Police holster. 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. 2. not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers. Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. Igorak89 Member Posts: 35 Joined: 03 Oct 2013, 10:01 Location: Serbia Re: Luger markings identification - help The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). section), Baustaffel der The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. jeb111. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. pistols were rejected at the acceptance procedure it would explain that these were replaced with some pistols in the v block. Lugers! It is curious that the Hannover Police markings, S. Hn. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. 33. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $200. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. It is assumed that at the time of the conversion the holster was still brown. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. 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